Are vampires sterile

         

Article # 1, written on March 3rd, 2011 | 3:43 pm
So. You all probably already know that male vampires can have children in Meyer's world and female vampires cannot.

Apart from the fact that I find this totally unfair and that it makes absolutely no sense that vampires, undead beings, can produce children at all, I have to say that it should not be a problem for female vampires to have a child.

So. There are two theories as to why Edward got Bella pregnant.
The first is that Edward's sperm in his cold body has been holding over (* cough *) all these decades.
The second is that the poison in Edward's body has taken the sperm off its function.

It should work for women too. You could either simply take an egg cell from the woman (which would have to survive), fertilize it with sperm (if the father is a human) or with poison (if the father is a vampire) and with the help of a surrogate mother you can do that Give birth to child.

Or she could "mix" her own poison with "male" poison or sperm eh ... and then have a child again with the help of a surrogate mother.

Do you think these theories are okay or have I overlooked something that makes it impossible for female vampires to have children?

(Edit: I'm pretty stupid at first and upload this thread in the Harry Potter forum. XD)
Post # 2, written on March 3rd, 2011 | 4:31 pm
Well, there are also vampires in the HP Universe ๐Ÿ˜Ž

First of all, Angel was pregnant with a vampire. I also found this on the internet:

Silviavonwerweisswas
The descriptions of vampiric sexuality have been described in many different ways in thousands of books - as differently as the human imagination allows. There are those who already see a sexual act in drinking blood - probably a form of blood fetishism (see "hematophilia" or "hematodipsia").

Others describe sexual acts that are common in humans and the animal kingdom. For example, there is the theory that vampires are an earthly form of life that, from an evolutionary point of view, may stand between bats and humans, and thus also reproduce. If they represent a species of their own, then crossbreeding with humans is not possible - that is the biological definition of the species term. However, some also suggest that the vampires have adapted to humans in such a way that a cross is possible after all - that would be a development of convergence.

Another thesis: if they are "only" a human race (but affected by a special virus or a hereditary disease caused by a recessive gene), then they would of course be able to reproduce fully with "healthy" people.


and on wikipedia I found this:

wikipedia
A dhampir (also dhampir, dhamphir or dhampyr) is, according to the folklore of Southeast Europe and in vampire novels, the child of a vampire father and a human mother. The reverse is also possible less often in fictional stories.



On vampire-portal the author claims (actually, by the way) that only male vampires can father children with human women, the reverse is absolutely impossible.
vampire portal

Finally, I would like to point out a phenomenon that is EXTREMELY rare: Although vampires are generally sterile, in very rare cases a child can arise during sex between a person and a vampire. But then it is so that the woman is the human and the vampire is the man. Pregnancy with a vampire woman is in no case possible because the body of a vampire is normally "frozen" after the transformation and a pregnancy is such an extensive "process of change" that a vampire woman simply CANNOT experience it.


Conclusion: So the opinions differ widely and I basically agree with you, the whole thing would be totally unfair. If it's extraordinarily supernatural anyway, then please for both sides. I don't think your idea of โ€‹โ€‹surrogacy is bad.

My idea: In female vampires, the uterus does not "freeze", but continues to function / is slowed down or something similar for the purpose of reproduction. I mean, should vampires be a natural creation, then nature would have ensured the continued existence.
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Article # 3, written on March 3rd, 2011 | 4:50 pm
AngelofSlytherin
Well, there are also vampires in the HP Universe ๐Ÿ˜Ž



Really? Can't remember any of them. At least not with the books. * brooding *


But I find something strange when vampires have children - in a "natural" way and not through an "adoption". ๐Ÿ˜‰ I thought that was so funny with Angel.
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Article # 4, written on March 3rd, 2011 | 6:00 p.m.
Gaya Lupine
AngelofSlytherin
Well, there are also vampires in the HP Universe ๐Ÿ˜Ž



Really? Can't remember any of them. At least not with the books. * brooding *

The vampire Saguini and his biographer appear in the slug club at the Christmas party. In addition, Gilderoy Lockhart has written "Detours with Vampires, where he reports on the alleged conversion of a vampire to a vegetarian.

Gaya Lupine

But I find something strange when vampires have children - in a "natural" way and not through an "adoption". ๐Ÿ˜‰
I thought it was so funny with Angel.

With Angel (and also Twilight) I found it very strange, but as you can see in my post above, this is more common than I thought.
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Article # 5, written on March 3rd, 2011 | 10:59 pm
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AngelofSlytherin
For example, there is the theory that vampires are an earthly form of life that, from an evolutionary point of view, may stand between bat and human, and thus also reproduce. If they represent a species of their own, then crossbreeding with humans is not possible - that is the biological definition of the species term.

I do believe that a crossing would be possible there. If you look around a bit in the animal world, there are also a few different species, but they have the same evolutionary origin and for which it is also possible. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybride

AngelofSlytherin
On vampire-portal the author claims (actually, by the way) that only male vampires can father children with human women, the reverse is absolutely impossible.
vampire portal

Finally, I would like to point out a phenomenon that is EXTREMELY rare: Although vampires are generally sterile, in very rare cases a child can arise during sex between a person and a vampire. But then it is so that the woman is the human and the vampire is the man. Pregnancy with a vampire woman is in no case possible because the body of a vampire is normally "frozen" after the transformation and a pregnancy is such an extensive "process of change" that a vampire woman simply CANNOT experience it.

With Angel it was a little different, well vampires and logic.

AngelofSlytherin
My idea: In female vampires, the uterus does not "freeze", but continues to function / is slowed down or something similar for the purpose of reproduction. I mean, should vampires be a natural creation, then nature would have ensured the continued existence.

If vampires were a natural creation and had a body structure similar to that of humans, then the females among them would get their periods, which in itself is contradictory. They would then quasi excrete their own elixir of life.

AngelofSlytherin
Gaya Lupine
AngelofSlytherin
Well, there are also vampires in the HP Universe ๐Ÿ˜Ž



Really? Can't remember any of them. At least not with the books. * brooding *

The vampire Saguini and his biographer appear in the slug club at the Christmas party. In addition, Gilderoy Lockhart has written "Detours with Vampires, where he reports on the alleged conversion of a vampire to a vegetarian.
Maybe a reference to Bis (s)? ๐Ÿคจ
Article # 6, written on 03.03.2011 | 11:25 pm
Novanna

Maybe a reference to Bis (s)? ๐Ÿคจ


Then JKR would have to be a clairvoyant. The bite series came out only afterwards. ๐Ÿ˜‰
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Article # 7, written on March 3rd, 2011 | 11:54 p.m.
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Oh, I didn't know exactly which band this scene was in or in which year the HP books were published, so the question marks.
However, I also don't know exactly when the Bis (s) series was published.
Article # 8, written on March 3rd, 2011 | 11:59 pm
* gg * and the vampire became, according to Gilderoy, a real vegetarian, with salad and so ...
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Post # 9, written on March 4th, 2011 | 00:04 am
AngelofSlytherin
* gg * and the vampire became a real vegetarian, according to the well-loved Gilderoy, with salad and so ...

... without any blood ??? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
Article # 10, written on March 4th, 2011 | 12:11 am
Novanna
AngelofSlytherin
* gg * and the vampire became, according to Gilderoy, a real vegetarian, with salad and so ...

... without any blood ??? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ


yes, it seems so, but it is not really discussed in detail and .. well, the truth of Gilderoy's statements is ... I don't know, 1% or rather 0.1% ??

Novanna


AngelofSlytherin
My idea: In female vampires, the uterus does not "freeze", but continues to function / is slowed down or something similar for the purpose of reproduction. I mean, should vampires be a natural creation, then nature would have ensured the continued existence.

If vampires were a natural creation and had a body structure similar to that of humans, then the females among them would get their periods, which in itself is contradictory. They would then quasi excrete their own elixir of life.



I'm almost lying on the floor laughing, this aspect could actually have occurred to me (as a wife & mother) myself
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Article # 11, written on March 4th, 2011 | 6:40 p.m.
Okay, so there are logical explanations why vampires can have children at all (it would have been nice if Meyer had mentioned something about it).

But are there also logical explanations why women cannot have children at Meyer? I mean, she said that vampires can no longer change their bodies, all well and good, but in my first post I refuted that explanation, with a surrogate mother, because fertilization itself is all about.

I think Stephenie Meyer just didn't think about a lot of things when she was writing them.
Article # 12, written on March 4th, 2011 | 7:35 pm
If she wanted to put someone's life at risk, the female vampires at Meyer could possibly do that, but I wonder how they can get hold of the egg cells when they are practically invulnerable?
Article # 13, written on March 4th, 2011 | 7:46 pm
Oh, to be honest, I'm optimistic - in the fifth volume Rosalie will suddenly discover that she was able to get pregnant all the time, give birth to a beautiful blond child and this, together with Renesmee, will save the world from all evil, everyone only eats salad and rainbows - all's well that ends well.

^-^

Apart from that, I'm just thinking ... Am I currently on the biological wood path or doesn't the woman have to have been transformed at a certain point in her cycle in order for an egg cell to be capable of fertilization to be present at all?
Please clarify me! o.O I'm really not sure at the moment ... (and should be ashamed because I definitely had that in bio ^ - ^)
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Article # 14, written on March 4th, 2011 | 8:02 pm
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